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From the Field: Therapy, Fatherhood, and Embracing Uncertainty with Jeremy Dew

��Ƶ — Sun, 01 Jul 2018 14:00:06 +0000

In our newest “From the Field” episode of text.soul.culture, Shauna Gauthier (MA in Counseling Psychology, ‘10), Alumni Outreach Coordinator, talks with Jeremy Dew (MACP, ‘10), a therapist in private practice and the Facilitator of ��Ƶ’s Texas Alumni Chapter. Shauna and Jeremy were in the same cohort as graduate students, and the rapport of their long-time friendship is evident in this conversation, which starts with Jeremy’s reflections on an uprooted childhood that required him to be a charismatic, often silly kid who made new friends easily and maintained a positive, happy persona. As the oldest of five children in a family that moved often, Jeremy felt his role was to be exemplary in his ability to hold everything together—a burden that left him struggling to identify who he was beneath the surface.

Shauna: “I’m most compelled by Jeremy’s full-spectrum capacity to dive deep into heartache—his own and others’—and to leap so high into all sorts of play, especially in his play with his own children.”

Jeremy went to college to become a youth pastor, but a couple of years into school he realized that he had significant questions that were being answered in ways that felt disappointing and cheap. The environment seemed increasingly isolated and self-absorbed; it was all too easy to focus on obscure passages of Scripture or dense theological questions that felt removed from the day-to-day realities of the rest of the world.

Jeremy: “It felt like many of the ways that we were answering questions of God further isolated us from the rest of the world.”

So Jeremy pursued other work—Starbucks, bronze casting, a microbrewery. He found himself longing for something more, but he knew it wouldn’t look like the pastoral education he’d seen before. Around this time he was exposed to work coming out of ��Ƶ, and he was intrigued by its openness to the rest of the world, a willingness to learn about God in unexpected places. Jeremy had tried walking away from his faith, but “I couldn’t quite shake it.” He was drawn to ��Ƶ as a place where he could learn and wrestle with truth without having to artificially surrender his questions.

Jeremy: “What has felt true of vocation, and even calling, is that somehow it’s felt like that has been written in the peaks and in the valleys of my story. Both the places where I have known of my goodness and been uniquely named and uniquely spoken into, and in the places where I’ve been most harmed and violated. Somehow my calling aligns those two.”

Shauna asks Jeremy what he has learned about vocation, calling, and sustainability, in the years since his time at ��Ƶ. The conversation also touches on what Jeremy’s work with parents has revealed about his own parenting, on what surprises and grounds him in his work, and on his heartbreak about the ways that men have used and abused power. The #MeToo, #ChurchToo, and #TimesUp movements have highlighted the need for his to keep pursuing his own growth and to help other men and young boys address their violent reactions to fragility and harm.

Jeremy: “Vocational sustainability has be wrapped up in who I am as a father as well, and as a husband.”

Resources to Go Deeper

Jeremy shares that he’s had a “renewed energy for reading” lately. Here’s what he’s into these days:

by Leif Enger—recommended years ago by VP of Student & Alumni Development Paul Steinke, based on Jeremy’s love for by David James Duncan.

by Christine Marietta, over which Jeremy has cried with clients who feel validated in new ways by Christine’s words.

by Dorothy Dinnerstein, a feminist psychoanalyst writing in the ‘70s.

by Daniel Keyes—most people read this as kids, but a client recommended it to Jeremy to better understand where she’s coming from.

by Rene Girard—Jeremy heard about it in school and sometimes found himself using that language, so he decided to figure out what he meant by it.

For more from Jeremy, check out the video of his Symposia 2016 presentation, “Practical Parenting: When Good Enough Is Good Enough, Even for the Trained Professional as Parent.”

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Finding Home in an Accelerated Age with Dr. Craig Detweiler

��Ƶ — Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:00:58 +0000

This week, on the second season finale of text.soul.culture, Dr. Derek McNeil, Senior Vice President of Academics, continues his discussion with Dr. Craig Detweiler, President of ��Ƶ. In the first part of this conversation, Craig shared about his personal formation and the journey that led him to ��Ƶ. Now, he and Derek look back on the last six months, talk about what it means to make a home in a new city, and dream together about what the future might hold—for Craig and his family, and for the entire ��Ƶ community.

Craig: “We have the ability to export our education and training in very robust ways. So this isn’t a small thing, it’s actually a very significant thing. We’re trying to be very deep and very personal, at a time when the needs are growing nationally, internationally—the hunger for peace, the hunger for wholeness, the hunger for healing is off the charts.”

Craig shares about his motivation to understand not just ��Ƶ and the people in this building, but also our neighborhood and surrounding city—the broader context in which our mission unfolds. He has spent a lot of time out and about going to concerts, museums, lunches, “trying to catch the flavor, the taste of what’s going on.”

Craig: “We’re living in an accelerated age in Seattle. The city itself has grown faster and more than any other city over the last decade in the United States. That creates profound possibilities and profound anxieties. […] Finding home in all that, finding space—it’s tricky. It’s not easy, it’s not quick.”

Derek shares how Craig has brought with him new ways of thinking about the future that are “both disruptive and promising.” It’s a profound time for those new perspectives, as ��Ƶ is approaching its 21st birthday—a milestone of identity and maturation. “It’s fascinating to arrive as ��Ƶ is graduating a class in their 20th year here and turning toward the 21st year,” says Craig. “Most schools would celebrate their 20th anniversary, but we’re not most schools. I think we’re maybe more interested in celebrating the 21st, because it’s closer to a human rite of passage, moving toward adulthood.”

“I hope in the 21st year, in looking back, we can look at hard things, and we can look at beautiful things, and we can dance together again.”

In the midst of all the change, Derek and Craig also reflect on that which remains true about ��Ƶ’s ethos: the annual and seasonal rhythms, the weekly communion, the nine.noon.three bells that chime every three hours as an invitation to re-orient and re-settle. These core shared values—part of what Derek calls “adaptive resilience”—are what ground us, personally and collectively, as we respond to change and dream about the future.

Derek: “You need that looking back to look forward, to recognize in some sense the continuity of us. […] We’re a very hopeful institution, and I think we are coming into this notion of what we are called to be.”

Craig: “We reorient ourselves, at a time of massive confusion, to say ‘these things we know to be true.’ […] Can we lean into that ongoing hope that does not change, at a time when, on any given day, we all feel like we may be about to get swamped? […] Let’s learn from where we’ve been, learn from mistakes we made, acknowledge aches, pains, growing pains, hunger, guilt, longing—and yet here we are, ready to continue.”

As always, thank you for listening to text.soul.culture. You can catch up on every episode from our first two seasons here, and we’ll see you in the fall as we continue the conversation.

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Voices from the Artist Residency: A text.soul.culture Minisode

��Ƶ — Mon, 14 May 2018 12:00:20 +0000

Today on the text.soul.culture podcast, we’re spending a few minutes with the students and alumni who recently participated in our 2018 Artist Residency. The Artist Residency is an annual opportunity for members of our community to spend a week in the building, making the space their own as they draw, paint, sculpt, and create both individually and collectively.

“After I’ve drawn someone’s face I love them more, because I know them better.”

In this minisode, the artists reflect on what it’s like to inhabit our red brick building outside of their familiar role as students. How is their art uniquely impacted by these classrooms and hallways where they have spent years wrestling with big ideas and difficult questions?

“Probably what I will take away more than anything is the people that I spent the time with,” says Genevra Vanhoozer, MA in Counseling Psychology student. “I will carry them with me, I’ll carry them in my body. The work is good, it’s important, but I see the people as just as much, if not more essential.”

The theme of this year’s residency was “Repairer of the Breach,” and the artists were hosted by poet and Assistant Instructor Brittany Deininger (MA in Theology & Culture, ‘17). We’re grateful for those who spoke with us for this podcast, and for all of the artists whose presence and creation during the residency have left a mark in our building:

Lindsay Braman (MACP student)
Heather Casimere (MATC student)
Kate Creech (MACP student)
Katie Lin (MACP student)
Alissa Mazzenga (MACP student)
Genevra Vanhoozer (MACP student)
Jonnie Washburn (MATC student)

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Storytelling and Resilience with Nikkita Oliver

��Ƶ — Mon, 30 Apr 2018 14:00:00 +0000

This week on the text.soul.culture podcast, co-host Shauna Gauthier, Alumni Outreach Coordinator, gets to know community organizer, artist, teacher, and attorney Nikkita Oliver, who shares about her formation, her work in Seattle, and the themes she engaged recently at our Humanity Through Community conference. This is an insightful, vulnerable, and necessary conversation, and we are grateful to Nikkita for sharing her story with us.

Nikkita: “I don’t shy away from the painful points in things, because sometimes we have to be willing to engage the pain in order to move through it. We spend a lot of time trying to move around pain, or over pain, or away from pain.”

Nikkita shares about having a White mother and a Black father in Indianapolis, growing up code switching as she moved between different parts of her family and learned their ways of speaking and thinking. Her mother instilled in her a deep value for compassion and empathy, as well as a commitment to stick to her work even when it’s hard. Nikkita recalls visiting Seattle when she was 16 or 17, thinking for the first time about what it might mean to grow into her own person.

“Hope is a beautiful thing, and it’s natural. It’s like faith—it persists because you have a vision for something better.”

Nikkita: “I am constantly digging into my own family of origin to better understand why other people move through the world in the way that they do, and how you can use where a person comes from, their own story, to get them to see the role they play in the bigger story.”

As Nikkita began sharing her voice and putting her work out in the world, and as she continued reflecting on the stories that we tell—and the stories that don’t get told—she grew as a leader in speaking to the realities and needs of her community. This background helps inform her view on the difference between natural resilience—the ability to be stretched and still keep your essence—and forced resilience.

Nikkita: “Oftentimes the sort of resilience we celebrate as a society is not natural resilience, it is forced resilience. It should force us to think about why are some people forced to be resilient, and some people not? […] So I often talk about the problem of resilience. I think resilience in a white supremacist, capitalist, patriarchal society is something we only expect certain people to have to show.”

Resources to Go Deeper

For more from Nikkita Oliver, you can watch the full video of her Humanity Through Community talk, “A New Take on Resilience,” as well as the follow-up panel discussion.
If the phrase “code switch” is new to you, or if you’re just looking for insightful and engaging perspectives on critical cultural issues, check out the podcast from NPR.
Nikkita shared that her father’s family moved from Louisiana to Indiana near the time of the Great Migration. is a vital, in-depth look at “this exodus of almost six million people changed the face of America.”

About the Host

Shauna Gauthier received her MA in Counseling Psychology from ��Ƶ in 2010. She previously worked in the Denver Metro area as a therapist and a nonprofit program manager; she also helped launch ��Ƶ’s Colorado Alumni Chapter. After returning to Seattle, Shauna now serves as the Alumni Outreach Coordinator. She also enjoys writing and speaking about motherhood, feminism, and faith. Learn more about Shauna here.

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Spirituality and Science with Dr. Curt Thompson

��Ƶ — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 14:00:25 +0000

This week on the text.soul.culture podcast, co-host Dr. Derek McNeil, Senior Vice President of Academics, is joined by Dr. Curt Thompson, psychiatrist, founder of , and author of The Soul of Shame and The Anatomy of the Soul. Curt is coming to ��Ƶ April 20-21 for an evening lecture and all-day workshop about resilience and interpersonal neurobiology. Here, he shares with Derek some of what he’s learning about the science behind resilience, and about what that reflects of the nature of God.

Curt: “No science ever exists independently, apart from being understood through a particular anthropology. When we understand the data that we discover through a lens of Christian anthropology, we come to recognize that the science itself is pointing to this inseparability of our spirituality and our biology.”

Curt shares about his path to psychiatry, about being in medical school and becoming passionate about exploring the nature of suffering and the human response to it. He had already been asking big questions—Why do we do what we do? Why is it so difficult to change? What has that got to do with the Gospel?—and bringing his spirituality to the field of psychiatry gave him room to wrestle with these questions in deep and meaningful ways. Now, with the growing body of insight from the field of neuroscience, Derek and Curt reflect on how that might energize our understanding of God and give us new language for what God has been up to all along.

Curt: “In this particular time and space, neuroscience is one of the ways that God is not leaving Himself without a witness.”

As Curt shares what he is learning about resilience, the conversation touches on education, parenting, and more. It’s clear that these insights into how we respond to suffering and how we foster resilience in relationship have a great deal to teach us about who we are, who God is, and how the world around us reveals the nature of both. It’s also clear that these are big ideas with significant implications, so we hope you’ll join us April 20-21 as we welcome Curt Thompson back to ��Ƶ to continue this conversation.

Curt: “We have put thousands and thousands of people in fMRI scans to give us a sense of what a normal brain looks like under unstressed circumstances. But what if we got this wrong? What if a normal brain is a brain that is connected to another brain? What if that is actually the most resilient brain? […] It takes us right back to the Genesis account of creation.”

Resources to Go Deeper

by Curt Thompson
by Curt Thompson
by Lesslie Newbigin

About the Host

Dr. Derek McNeil is the Senior Vice President of Academics at ��Ƶ. He has a PhD in Counseling Psychology from Northwestern University and an MDiv from Fuller Theological Seminary, and his research, writing, and speaking have focused on issues of ethnic and racial socialization, the role of forgiveness in peacemaking, the identity development of African-American males, and marital intimacy. Learn more about Derek here.

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To Be Heard: A text.soul.culture Minisode

��Ƶ — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 14:00:00 +0000

Today on the text.soul.culture podcast, we’re spending a few minutes with the question, “What does it feel like to be heard?” It seems like a simple question, but as we wandered through the building talking to alumni, students, and staff, we were surprised by the range and depth of responses. Maybe the desire to be heard, in a way that goes beyond passive listening or distracted acknowledgment, touches on something core about what it means to be human.

To be heard—deeply, actively heard, in a way that is marked by attunement and empathy—is a longing that is core to our nature as relational beings. “It feels like coming home, or returning to something valuable,” says Heather Barnes, Institutional Support Manager. Like feeling a future stretching out before you.”

Many thanks to all of those who participated by sharing their responses:

Heather Barnes, Institutional Support Manager
Matt Gullett (MA in Counseling Psychology, ‘11), Assistant Librarian
Andrew Accornero, MA in Counseling Psychology student
Laura Stembridge, Master of Divinity student
Graham Murtaugh, MA in Counseling Psychology student
Kartha Heinz, Director of Human Resources
Courtney Lee, MA in Counseling Psychology student

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The Dare of Proximity with Dr. Dwight Friesen

��Ƶ — Mon, 02 Apr 2018 17:38:12 +0000

This week on the text.soul.culture podcast, co-host Dr. Derek McNeil, Senior Vice President of Academics, is joined by Dr. Dwight Friesen, Associate Professor of Practical Theology, to talk about working at ��Ƶ, a more holistic form of education, and Dwight’s deep passion for the ongoing movement of God in the particularity of place.

Dwight shares about how he first came to ��Ƶ and discovered a deep alignment between the mission of this institution and his own personal calling. As he reflects on what he dreams about personally and collectively, he reflects on the parish theology that compels his ministry, teaching, and writing.

Dwight: “On a personal level, I think the dream of my life is to learn what it is to love: to love others, to love God, to love myself, to love place, to love what it is to be a creature. There are a lot of things that compete for my affections other than loving relationship. To actually throw myself into the gift of love—that, on a personal level, feels like the dare of my life.”

As Derek and Dwight talk about teaching at ��Ƶ, they reflect on the unique challenges of education when transformation is the goal, not merely a checklist of correct answers. Dwight shares how, motivated by a relational, trinitarian theology that is grounded in the parish, he no longer sees his professorial role as primarily about imparting knowledge.

Dwight: “That’s not a Christian endeavor. I don’t think I’m in the knowledge business. […] Anything that collapses into theory is just not adequate.”

Derek: “You’re talking about something that is beyond words, that is much more holistic.”

Dwight: “I increasingly believe that I am less a professor professing truth as I am a witness, bearing witness to what is real as to what I’ve known and experienced of the living God.”

“Anything that collapses into theory is just not adequate.”

The conversation turns to local expressions of church, and Derek and Dwight talk about the complexities of living these concepts in real, messy, day-to-day life. The emotion in Dwight’s voice is clear as he speaks of his deep love for the Church and his hope that local churches will not drift into abstraction or ideology but will grow into vibrant expressions of the tangible movement of God in their communities. That’s the hope that informs Dwight’s work, whether it’s teaching in the classroom, co-facilitating the Leadership in the New Parish certificate program or the , or just walking around his neighborhood.

Dwight: “God is doing what God does and renewing God’s people, not for the sake of the church but for the sake of the world. […] Somehow proximity dares me, woos me to figure out how do I actually live rightly with my neighbors, in such a way that it calls us both into a better way of being.”

Resources to Go Deeper

Here are a few of the voices that emerged during this conversation. These texts help expand the way of listening to the triune God in the particularity of place that Dwight is so passionate about. And if you’re interested in joining with hundreds of others who are passionate about the place-based theology and practice Dwight discusses here, we hope you’ll join us for the Inhabit, April 27-28 in Seattle.

by Esther Lightcap Meek
by Colin E. Gunton
by Paul Sparks, Tim Soerens, and Dwight Friesen

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From the Field: Smruti Desai

��Ƶ — Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:00:32 +0000

This week on the text.soul.culture podcast, Shauna Gauthier (MA in Counseling Psychology, ‘10), Alumni Outreach Coordinator, talks with Smruti Desai (MA in Counseling Psychology, ‘09) for our first “From the Field” episode. Shauna begins by sharing her curiosity about how ��Ƶ’s alumni are continuing their growth and education long after graduating. In these new, recurring field episodes, Shauna will sit down with alumni to discuss their formation, vocation, and life post-graduate school.

Smruti Desai has developed a thriving private practice and worked as a supervisor and director at community agencies for several years. After 11 years in Seattle, Smruti recently moved to Atlanta, in her home state of Georgia. Before she moved, she sat down with Shauna to talk about her therapeutic work and the decision to move back across the country.

Smruti: “I think helping people is lovely, and for whose sake do you want to help people? And what do you do when you can’t? How do you tolerate that with kindness and strength?”

Having grown up as an Indian woman in Georgia, Smruti shares about early experiences of encountering people from different backgrounds and traditions, and about her journey of faith. Raised Hindu, Smruti, who says that her father encouraged open-mindedness and hospitality to other traditions, learned about Christianity in college and did not see the two worldviews as contradictory.

Smruti: “I don’t know how the Gospel can be not something we’re becoming into. I don’t know how we’re not striving to be people of grace and mercy and redemption and healing. If it’s a fixed concept, I think we’re all kind of screwed.”

Smruti also reflects on what drew her to therapeutic work. She had noticed that therapy is often seen as “a white American thing,” and she wanted to help make it more accessible for other folks. This leads to a conversation about the daily traumas and microaggressions experienced by people of color, and Smruti shares about her vocational call to bear witness to the suffering of clients and to offer a space for them to breathe and care for themselves. She reflects on how ��Ƶ helped equip her for that work, and about how she plans to continue it in Atlanta.

Smruti: “A lot of people don’t need more resilience. They need spaces to feel their feeling and name that shit is hard and name that they’re barely getting by. My clients don’t need resilience. What they need is a freaking break.

You can see more from Smruti in this . We are endlessly grateful for and amazed by our alumni and the work they are doing in the world. Their vocational expressions extend the mission of ��Ƶ beyond our walls and continually inform and refine how we train students. Stay tuned to text.soul.culture for future “From the Field” episodes highlighting our alumni and the brave, beautiful work they pursue.

Resources to Go Deeper

Smruti is committed to reading one fiction book, one social justice book, and one therapy book concurrently. Here’s what she was reading at the time of this recording:

by Arundhati Roy, a novel about a trans person in India.

, about the intersection of social justice and Buddhism.

by Peter Levine and Maggie Phillips, part of a somatic experience training Smruti is participating in.

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The Art of Listening with Shauna Gauthier

��Ƶ — Mon, 05 Mar 2018 15:00:38 +0000

This week on the text.soul.culture podcast, Dr. Derek McNeil, Senior Vice President of Academics, sits down with Shauna Gauthier, MA in Counseling Psychology ‘10 and Alumni Outreach Coordinator, to introduce her and welcome her as his new co-host, and to talk about the transformative art of listening.

Joining text.soul.culture is a natural outgrowth of Shauna’s work with alumni, an opportunity to share the stories of those who extend the mission of ��Ƶ in their vocations and callings. “I love the idea of allowing our alumni to lead us as an institution,” says Shauna, “allowing them and what they’re doing in the world to continue to inform us.”

Derek and Shauna also reflect on how the intimate format of a podcast invites us to slow down, pause, and engage in the sort of listening that fosters transformation. The deep, thoughtful conversations Derek and Shauna will continue hosting on text.soul.culture invite us to hear in a way that opens us to the tragedy, beauty, hope, and pain in the stories of others.

Shauna: “I love to hear stories, I love to be part of sharing stories.”

Derek: “And you’re not simply talking about people telling stories, but people listening to stories. My sense of you is that you’re a deep listener of stories.”

Shauna: “I appreciate that generative listening—it’s listening that really offers life back.”

Stay tuned as Shauna joins Derek in listening to and telling stories on text.soul.culture. In our next episode, we’ll feature a conversation between Shauna and one of our alumni—a conversation that embodies much of what Shauna and Derek talk about today.

Resources to Go Deeper

Derek and Shauna share a deep respect for how Krista Tippett models deep listening.

Before moving back to Seattle, Shauna wrote this blog about how her intimate connection to the Columbine shooting impacted her calling and vocation.

At Symposia 2015, Shauna pulled from psychological theory, contemporary research, and her own experience as she offered this talk about how writing can shape the movement of healing from trauma.

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The Road to Seattle with Dr. Craig Detweiler

��Ƶ — Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:00:21 +0000

This week on the text.soul.culture podcast, Dr. Derek McNeil, Senior Vice President of Academics, is joined by our new president, Dr. Craig Detweiler, to talk about the journey that led him to ��Ƶ. Our community has been in the process of getting to know Craig, and we’re excited for you to join that conversation today.

After growing up in North Carolina and working as a filmmaker, author, and teacher in Los Angeles, Craig says that he sees this move to Seattle as a sort of third act in his life—both personally and professionally. He and Derek talk about what stood out about ��Ƶ, and about how his past work and formative experiences prepared him for this role.

Craig: “As I read the job description it was very strange, like ‘Oh, that is eerily similar to who I am and what I do.’ […] Then I waded through the website and saw layer and layer of intentionality, thoughtfulness, depth.”

Craig shares about how early encounters with films, including Casablanca and Raging Bull, inspired him to engage and tell stories, and to believe that God is often found in unexpected places. He and Derek reflect on the beauty in stories of hard-won redemption—another way Craig connected with the work of ��Ƶ, where we believe that healing is rarely quick or easy, and that we can’t use Band-Aids for deep, systemic wounds.

Craig: “I believe that God can use unlikely people, places, and things to wake us up. That’s what film did for me.”

Derek and Craig also talk about the practicalities of a whole family adjusting to a big move, the challenges of making a home in a new place, and the speed and frenzy of our society, particularly in a tech hub like Seattle—themes that Craig was engaging before coming to Seattle, including in his books and the upcoming . Craig shares how he resonates with the missionality of ��Ƶ and the emphasis on sustainability and intentionality.

Derek: “The speed is stimulating but has some emptiness to it. Speed is not bad, but if you become intoxicated with the speed and lose quality of life or wholeness, then you feel more empty after you come down off the ride.”

Craig: “And here is a community that is doing, essentially, the opposite. They’re going slow, they’re going thoughtful, they’re going deep. It genuinely intrigued me.”

Resources

Go deeper with the books and movies that emerged in this conversation:

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text.soul.culture Season Two Archives - ������Ƶ of Theology & Psychology

From the Field: Therapy, Fatherhood, and Embracing Uncertainty with Jeremy Dew

Resources to Go Deeper

Finding Home in an Accelerated Age with Dr. Craig Detweiler

Voices from the Artist Residency: A text.soul.culture Minisode

Storytelling and Resilience with Nikkita Oliver

Resources to Go Deeper

About the Host

Spirituality and Science with Dr. Curt Thompson

Resources to Go Deeper

About the Host

To Be Heard: A text.soul.culture Minisode

The Dare of Proximity with Dr. Dwight Friesen

Resources to Go Deeper

From the Field: Smruti Desai

The Art of Listening with Shauna Gauthier

The Road to Seattle with Dr. Craig Detweiler

text.soul.culture Season Two Archives - ��Ƶ of Theology & Psychology