text.soul.culture podcast Archives - 天美视频 of Theology & Psychology Wed, 19 Jul 2023 15:25:19 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 Theology & Trauma with Dr. Chelle Stearns /blog/theology-trauma-chelle-stearns/ Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:00:56 +0000 http://theseattleschool.edu/?p=14783 In this episode of the text.soul.culture podcast, Dr. J. Derek McNeil, President and Provost, sits down to talk with Dr. Chelle Stearns, Associate Professor of Theology, about her ongoing work and research at the intersection of trauma and theology. Dr. Stearns is a deeply thoughtful, compassionate scholar who often thinks outside of disciplinary boxes and […]

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In this episode of the text.soul.culture podcast, Dr. J. Derek McNeil, President and Provost, sits down to talk with , Associate Professor of Theology, about her ongoing work and research at the intersection of trauma and theology. Dr. Stearns is a deeply thoughtful, compassionate scholar who often thinks outside of disciplinary boxes and desires for us to see beyond what is evident on the surface. What follows is an insightful conversation between two friends and colleagues about bringing things together that people don鈥檛 typically associate with one another鈥攕uch as trauma and theology鈥攁nd applying them to our lives.

Quotes

鈥淭o what extent do we think that God actually took on our humanity?鈥 Dr. Chelle Stearns

鈥淕od is aware of the wounds of our body, the hurts to our soul, the aspects of our spirits that are downtrodden 鈥 God is not simply elevated and distant, but close, and probably we feel the hunger for closeness most when we are in pain. So the sense of aloneness that can come from pain and the sense that god is with us, coming alongside people to engage them in woundedness, in another type and depth of healing.鈥 Dr. J. Derek McNeil

鈥淭he presence of God isn鈥檛 just solidarity, this is a presence that works on the world constantly. It calls to us into a way of being that doesn鈥檛 accept the pain and suffering in the world. And that鈥檚 the other side of it – it鈥檚 not a given that there is suffering, but there is fierce resistance against it as well.鈥 Dr. Chelle Stearns

鈥淚t raises for me 鈥 puts me in the mind of thinking not about 鈥榟ow does God fix it,鈥 but 鈥榟ow does God live presently in it with us?鈥欌 Dr. J. Derek McNeil

鈥淪o what body, what kinds of bodies are enough, are full enough, are really human, to the point of imagining Jesus taking on their flesh?鈥 Dr. Chelle Stearns

鈥淲here does our brokenness fit with our hope of restoration?鈥 Dr. J. Derek McNeil

鈥淣o wonder people responded to Jesus the way they did. He actually saw their faces, confronted their sorrows. It鈥檚 not just that he healed people and touched them, he saw who they were and this deep longing we have as humans, regardless of where we come from, but yet we each have that deep sorrow within us of we just want to be seen for who we are and known more deeply鈥攏ot just deeply but being known truly, honestly, warts and all.鈥 Dr. Chelle Stearns

Resources

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Hope in Trauma with Abby Wong-Heffter /blog/hope-in-trauma-abby-wong-heffter/ Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:45:22 +0000 http://theseattleschool.edu/?p=13584 On this episode of text.soul.culture, Dr J. Derek McNeil, Acting President and Provost, sits down with Abby Wong-Heffter (MA in Counseling Psychology, 鈥07) for a conversation that leads them to discussing the realities of trauma and the hope to live a more integrated life. Abby: 鈥淪o many of the people I interact with are desperate […]

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On this episode of text.soul.culture, Dr J. Derek McNeil, Acting President and Provost, sits down with (MA in Counseling Psychology, 鈥07) for a conversation that leads them to discussing the realities of trauma and the hope to live a more integrated life.

Abby: 鈥淪o many of the people I interact with are desperate for the symptoms to go away鈥搕hat鈥檚 why they come to therapy. There is a complexity and a depth, and even an honor and richness that we can offer with [saying] your whole self is telling us something. My gut has been one of the primary ways for me to listen to my own trauma or my own wounding.鈥

Abby: 鈥淚 think that鈥檚 what I鈥檓 most excited about with the concentration: honing in on more of what it means to be with someone whose mind, body, soul, emotions have been hijacked.鈥

Derek: 鈥淭his is challenging work. It feels like not just individual healing, but cultural healing. We seem to have not known how wounded we were even though we knew on some level we were deeply wounded. To come to reckon with that wounding and then to come with both strategies, ways of holding, and spiritual ways of being to bring some healing as well as learning feels very important at this moment鈥

As Derek and Abby discuss the Concentration in Trauma and Abuse, they step into what most excites them about this new offering and what their learning in the play and work of this profession

Abby: 鈥淚鈥檓 really excited to see how I get to marry the Allender Theory with EMDR 鈥

Derek:
鈥淥ne of the things I鈥檓 excited about with the concentration is us raising the question that we kind of already know. Is this important? Yes. Is this something we have to engage? Yes. I deeply appreciate the sense of calling from you personally as well as The Allender Center corporately for stepping into this.鈥

Abby: 鈥淚 could geek out for hours on neuroscience, the vagus system, our gut, how trauma is stored in our bodies, what is dissociation. I tell this students in Practicum III, 鈥榊ou have no excuse to be bored in this profession. There are so many avenues that it can take.鈥欌

Resources to Go Deeper

  • You can follow the what The Allender Center is up to at
  • Abby mentions the memoir by Truddi Chase, , which follows her journey with dissociative identity disorder from abuse to recovery.
  • Abby and Derek discuss her involvement with developing our new Concentration in Trauma and Abuse here at 天美视频. You can learn more about the program and application process on our website.
  • In their discussion about the prolific presence of abuse, Abby recalls hearing the news breaking in 2009 about the .
  • Derek and Abby talk about collective trauma, where stories are often held in our collective bodies, and Abby mentions that she鈥檚 been reading a book by Resmaa Menakem titled,

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Politics, Theology, and Spiritual Darkness with Annie Mesaros /blog/politics-theology-spiritual-darkness-annie-mesaros/ Wed, 17 Jul 2019 17:24:22 +0000 http://theseattleschool.edu/?p=13554 Shauna Gauthier hosts a conversation with Annie Mesaros about Christianity鈥檚 impact on American politics, and about Annie鈥檚 theological podcast God Help Us.

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On this episode of text.soul.culture, Shauna Gauthier, Alumni Outreach Coordinator, talks with Annie Mesaros (Master of Divinity, 鈥18) about her work in what Annie refers to as political theology鈥攃onnecting past and present iterations of American Christianity to current systems and dynamics in U.S. politics.

Annie: 鈥淲hile I鈥檓 concerned about what you would think of as politics鈥攚hat would be in the political section of a newspaper鈥擨鈥檓 also thinking about the politics of being human, the politics of church, the relational dynamics between people and between groups. That鈥檚 kind of what I mean by political in the broader sense.鈥

Annie is the host of , a podcast exploring the long and often problematic story of Christianity in the United States, grounded in the hope that by better understanding where other perspectives are coming from, we can be better conversation partners across difference and contribute to sustainable, collaborative social change.鈥 Her work is primarily concerned with two questions, she says: What do we believe it means to be human? And what do we believe is true about God? On God Help Us, Annie and her guests wrestle with how both of those questions inform our relationship to each other and our response to events in the world around us.

Annie: God Help Us is about information, it鈥檚 about what are our commonly held beliefs in this country, how are they informed by our Christian heritage? […] I鈥檓 hoping, on a more meta level, that it鈥檚 also a way of modeling those conversations, so we can feel defensive and have all the human range of emotions while we鈥檙e disagreeing with each other and still continue to talk to each other.”

Much of Annie鈥檚 work can be connected to the category of spiritual darkness, which was the focus of her Integrative Project at 天美视频, 鈥淢aking a Home in the Dark.鈥 In our 2018 Integrative Project Symposium, Annie offered this insight into what draws her to working with spiritual darkness: 鈥淚 think that in those times when everything has been stripped away, we also lose hold of the lies we have believed about ourselves, about each other, and about God. So I鈥檓 left only with my desire and the question of what to do with it, and the question of what to do with this new reality. And I find that the only option really is to come home to myself. And in those places, I find that God is waiting for me there.鈥

Annie: 鈥淲hen we recognize that we have put our faith in something like patriarchy, it doesn鈥檛 let us go easily. These periods of darkness, of feeling completely lost and at our wits鈥 end, both communally and individually鈥攊t forces us to give up hope in what we鈥檝e put our hope in. And that is this great gift that we can then decide we鈥檙e going to do something different now.鈥

In an era of fragmented relationships鈥攁nd, therefore, fragmented politics鈥攚e are deeply grateful for the insightful, far-reaching conversations Annie is hosting. Here鈥檚 to listening deeply, speaking boldly, and returning again and again to our connections with each other.

Resources to Go Deeper

  • You can learn more about Annie鈥檚 work, including God Help Us, at . And if you have ideas for future topics or guests on the podcast, email godhelp.podcast@gmail.com.
  • As this conversation turned to purity culture, it brought to mind an article by Lauren Sawyer (MA in Theology & Culture, (鈥14). Shauna asked Lauren to record an excerpt for this episode, and here鈥檚 the full article from Feminist Studies in Religion:
  • To be fair, Annie鈥檚 reference to is more tangential than thematic. But it really is a great film!
  • Shauna references an episode from NPR鈥檚 Invisibilia podcast about the relationship between uncertainty and dogmatism, and what we do when we don鈥檛 know what to do.
  • Annie mentions being inspired by this article from Tyrone Beason at the Seattle Times:
  • Just in time for summer, we got a bunch of book recommendations from Annie. Happy reading!
    • by Dr. Tina Schermer Sellers
    • by Frank Schaeffer
    • and by Amber Cantorna
    • by Mary Daly
    • by Miguel A. de la Torre

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Cultivating Hope with #ChemoWonderWoman Heather Abbott /blog/cultivating-hope-heather-abbott/ Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:26:23 +0000 http://theseattleschool.edu/?p=13503 Heather Abbott shares about her journey with stage 4 cancer and the relentless, hope-filled joy that she found even in the midst of great suffering.

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On this episode of text.soul.culture, Shauna Gauthier, Alumni Outreach Coordinator, talks with Heather Abbott (MA in Counseling Psychology, 鈥10) about her journey with stage 4 cancer and the relentless, hope-filled joy that she found even in the midst of great suffering.

When Heather received her cancer diagnosis, she knew this was not a road that she could walk alone. So, somewhat on a whim, she got a Wonder Woman costume to match her daughter鈥檚 Halloween costume, and she wore it to her first day of chemotherapy. A friend, Bridget Beth Collins ( on Instagram), created a plant-based portrait of Wonder Woman for Heather, and #chemowonderwoman was born.

Soon, Heather鈥檚 friends and family were spreading the word and wearing Wonder Woman shirts in support, along with teachers from her kids鈥 school and strangers from around the country鈥擧eather shares in particular about a grandmother in Ohio who prays for Heather every day even though they have never met. Even Gal Gadot, star of the hit Wonder Woman film, for Heather.

鈥淚 just felt really carried, I felt really held by hundreds of people I鈥檝e never met.鈥

Heather tells Shauna that while she was grateful her journey could inspire and encourage so many people, she also launched out of her own need for support. 鈥淚 need people alongside of me, to cheer for me, to be with me in this,鈥 she says. 鈥淚 can鈥檛 do this alone. I can鈥檛 do this even with just my small family tribe. I really need to, in some ways, open myself up to receive more help. I need connection and care.鈥 In that spirit, her friends told her, 鈥淵ou鈥檝e got this. We鈥檝e got you.鈥 It鈥檚 a truth that flies in the face of our cultural 鈥減ull yourself up by your bootstraps鈥 mentality: We need each other.

Shauna: 鈥淵ou allowed us all to experience something of your beauty in the midst of this seemingly daunting race鈥攖he way that you鈥檙e able to go after the experience of suffering with such play is profound to me.鈥

Shauna shares that she can feel joy in her body, almost to an unfamiliar degree, when she鈥檚 with Heather, when she witnesses Heather鈥檚 鈥渃ome with me鈥 posture that is vulnerable, courageous, and infectious. Heather reflects on the intentional choice to hold onto her hope in beauty and goodness, even in the midst of darkness鈥攏ot in denial of the darkness, but in defiance of it. She shares how that posture is informed by the world around her, including the beautifully stubborn life in her garden, and by her eschatological hope in a new heaven and new earth.

Heather: 鈥淥ur body wants to heal. I really, really believe that, even more strongly after all this treatment than I did before. I talk about that as a gardener too: the plants are on your side, they want to live.鈥

Shauna: 鈥淚 feel like the hope isn鈥檛 just optimism. It鈥檚 rooted in your theological framework, but it鈥檚 also rooted in your trust of creation鈥攖he plants want to grow, your body wants to heal. There鈥檚 this sort of rooted hope and trust in the evidence of life always moving toward goodness or growth or healing or wholeness.鈥

Heather: 鈥淚t doesn鈥檛 mean that I believe with an optimism that every single story ends in healing and being alive here until you鈥檙e 95. That鈥檚 what I want my story to be, and I want that for everyone, and yet also knowing that we don鈥檛 have a guarantee of that. But we do have a guarantee that God is good, and that he has created us, and he has made us for more than we realize.鈥

Heather shares how, at the time of this recording, there was no longer any evidence of cancer in her body. The journey of healing now offered a new challenge: The sprint for survival was over, and now she was facing the marathon of the rest of her life鈥攖he hard work of emotional healing after being so close to the experience of human fragility and finitude.

鈥淚鈥檓 going to have to suffer through being faithful here on this broken and beautiful earth.鈥

Heather: 鈥淭hat鈥檚 what it means to be vulnerable. This is what it means to be human. I鈥檓 going to sit with that, and I鈥檓 going to accept that God, in all his goodness, is with me in the middle of the vulnerability, in the middle of when it鈥檚 scary, in the middle of when you feel blindsided by something.鈥

Resources to Go Deeper

  • You can follow the next chapters of Heather鈥檚 journey on Instagram 鈥攌eep an eye on , too!
  • Shauna mentions that this conversation reminds her of the work of writer Annie Dillard. For a hauntingly beautiful example of Dillard鈥檚 writing about how the chaos of nature confronts us with the deepest parts of ourselves, check out her 1982 essay
  • Parts of this conversation bring to mind the work of artist Makoto Fujimura, who wrestles with the role of beauty in the wake of tragedy and destruction. We鈥檇 especially recommend his inspired by Shusaku Endo鈥檚 book of the same name, and his , which 鈥渞eflects my journey with T.S. Eliot, and Dante, to recover my imaginative vision during the aftermath of 9/11/2001, living in ground zero, New York City.鈥
  • At the end of this episode, Kate Fontana, a Master of Divinity student, shares her poem 鈥淎n Imbolc Call.鈥 This poem is part of the latest issue of LIT, a student-run literary magazine that gets published here at 天美视频. You can read the full issue at .

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Exuberant Realism with Dr. Esther Meek /blog/exuberant-realism-esther-meek/ Wed, 29 May 2019 16:00:17 +0000 http://theseattleschool.edu/?p=13388 Dr. J. Derek McNeil talks with Dr. Esther Lightcap Meek about delight in a traumatized world, how we know what we know, and why it matters.

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On this episode of text.soul.culture, Dr. J. Derek McNeil, Acting President and Provost, talks with Dr. Esther Lightcap Meek, a philosopher, professor, and author whose work revolves around knowing鈥攈ow we know what we know, and why it matters. Dr. Meek visited 天美视频 in November 2018 for the Stanley Grenz Lecture Series, and while she was here she dropped by our recording studio to share more about her work and the story that led her to it.

Esther: 鈥淩eality is person-like, and our essential human desire is to know, to understand, to have intimate contact and communion with reality.鈥

There is a contagious sense of delight in how Esther presents her ideas, and it鈥檚 a bit sneaky: She鈥檚 engaging dense, complex theories, and if you鈥檙e not already into philosophy it might be easy to say 鈥淥h I鈥檓 not interested in that,鈥 or 鈥淭hat鈥檚 over my head.鈥 But if you listen, you might start to hear a contagious, almost childlike joy. Esther describes it as 鈥渆xuberant realism鈥濃攁 grounded, thoughtful desire to approach the big questions of life with vibrant love and an openness to delight. With this posture, philosophy is not about abstract theory detached from our day-to-day realities; it鈥檚 a discipline that invites us to wrestle with the deep needs of our time in new and meaningful ways.

鈥淭here鈥檚 one thing you need to be philosophical, and that is to be born. Because to be human is to be philosophical.鈥

Esther: 鈥淚t has everything to do with love of God, but it has everything to do with love of his reality, too.鈥

Much of this conversation stems from the conviction that our 鈥渄efective modernist epistemology鈥 and our attempts to control reality are problematic, and that we are in need of a new perspective on our relationship to the real. Esther shares how, in her teaching and writing, her hope is to cultivate 鈥渓overs of the real鈥濃攊ndividuals whose adoration for God and God鈥檚 creation compels them to ask better questions, to pursue meaningful work, and to welcome each other with hospitality and delight. Derek and Esther discuss how that turn toward others is also reflected in what we know of human psychology: to be gazed upon with delight, and to offer delight toward others, is a central part of developing an integrated identity.

Esther: 鈥淭o be seen with delight by someone else is something that allows you to find yourself in that gaze.鈥

Derek: 鈥淚n the current political climate of our country, it鈥檚 been hard to delight in each other, very hard to see beauty. What we seem focused on is ugliness, and our inability to see each other and delight in each other has been a real challenge.鈥

Esther鈥檚 insights and philosophies have profound implications on how we conceive of God, how we serve each other, and how we respond to trauma and dis-integration in our world. We are deeply grateful for her work and for the generosity of her presence with us. Thanks to Dr. Esther Meek for joining us, and thanks to all of you for listening!

Resources to Go Deeper

  • For more from Esther Meek, you can watch her presentation from the 2018 Stanley Grenz Lecture Series, including a panel conversation with Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Chelle Stearns: Integration in a Dis-Integrated World.
  • Esther鈥檚 writing has been an important presence in our classrooms for many years. To jump into her work for yourself, a good starting point might be .
  • Esther cites Francis Schaeffer鈥檚 book as helping her realize at a young age that her questions about God and the world were not sin, they were philosophical.
  • Much of Esther鈥檚 ideas have been developed in conversation with the work of Michael Polanyi, whose text seemed like the only voice in Esther鈥檚 philosophical quest that addressed her deepest questions about reality.

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Resilience, Trauma, and the Hope of the Church /blog/resilience-trauma-church-podcast/ Wed, 15 May 2019 16:11:05 +0000 http://theseattleschool.edu/?p=13352 Kate Davis and Laura Wade Shirley share about the stories and experiences that inform their work of helping leaders deepen their resilience.

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On this episode of text.soul.culture, we鈥檙e talking all about resilience鈥攏ot just as a theoretical idea or buzzword, but as a very real set of practices and resources that ground us in our vocation and help sustain meaningful work. Shauna Gauthier, Alumni Outreach Coordinator, talks with Kate Davis, Director of the Resilient Leaders Project (RLP), and Laura Wade Shirley, Circle Leader for RLP, about how they learned to recognize the need for resilience in their own lives, and about what they鈥檙e learning now as they develop new ways to help other leaders foster resilience.

If you鈥檝e ever worked in ministry or a helping profession鈥攐r any work that requires your full self鈥攜ou know this matters: the rate of burnout is too high, and the cost too steep, to not take seriously the need for resilience. We launched Resilient Leaders Project to help leaders and communities respond to that deep need in the midst of a changing church and fragmented culture.

Kate: 鈥淩esilient Leaders Project is about trying to come alongside leaders in their context to help them construct lives that support their good work, instead of feeling like their lives are at the cost of their work.鈥

In reflecting on what drew them into this work, Kate and Laura Wade share about their histories with the Church and how they came to believe it could be a space that would welcome them fully and unequivocally, in all of their brokenness and trauma. Because it turns out that it鈥檚 impossible to talk meaningfully about resilience without also talking about trauma.

Kate: 鈥淭here鈥檚 a depth of experience that you must learn to narrate in your own life if you鈥檙e going to integrate the really hard pieces of your life. It鈥檚 not simply bouncing back to the shape that you were before something hard happened, it鈥檚 saying 鈥楬ow did this really difficult situation, this suffering that I went through, actually form me to be in some way more human, more compassionate, and therefore more divine?鈥欌

鈥淭here鈥檚 a depth of experience that you must learn to narrate in your own life if you鈥檙e going to integrate the really hard pieces of your life.鈥

Laura Wade: 鈥淩esilience, to me, is finding healing and freedom and voice in the midst of those harmful places, and being able to meet the Spirit and meet God there to be different, to be more of who we are created to be. That鈥檚 the linking of resilience and trauma. I don鈥檛 think you can have resilience without some level of trauma.鈥

Shauna: 鈥淎nd maybe you can鈥檛 be a human and not have trauma.鈥

As we gather to reflect together on the trauma of Christ鈥攖he violence, betrayal, death, and resurrection鈥攊n the Church we might also find space to reflect on our own trauma, to lean into a community of others who can help us find language and meaning for that which is beyond words. This is a beautiful hope, that reflecting on the wounds of Christ in community might help us heal from our own wounds, but it is also a risky, vulnerable hope鈥攐ne from which it is all too easy for many leaders to shy away. The rigorous demands and unspoken expectations of leadership often mean that leaders鈥攅specially in church, ministry, and nonprofit settings鈥攁re left feeling as if they cannot disclose experiences of trauma or uncertainty, and like there is not room for them to receive care.

Kate: 鈥淲ounded healer is language that we usually use, but we gloss over the wounded part, which means that we often have healed wounders in those roles.鈥

鈥淲ounded healer is language that we usually use, but we gloss over the wounded part, which means that we often have healed wounders in those roles.鈥

Toward the end of the conversation, Kate and Laura Wade share about their experience in the first full year of RLP, inviting leaders into intentional connection, thoughtful reflection, and new practices that create room for their full selves鈥攊ncluding their trauma, doubt, and brokenness鈥攖o be present in their work and relationship. This integrative work is a central part of building resilience, and it is a gift to journey with leaders as they step into that.

Kate: 鈥淢y hope for the Church is that God鈥檚 not done. And it might not look like the church that it looked like in our parents鈥 or grandparents鈥 ages, it might not be focused on Sunday morning worship, but I think God鈥檚 not done in gathering people in a certain type of way. I want to be part of making that happen, and I want to be part of helping resource the creative and courageous people who are stepping into this unknown territory.鈥

Resources to Go Deeper

  • You can learn more about the Resilient Leaders Project鈥攊ncluding our newsletter, upcoming events, and the application process for our next cohort鈥攁t theseattleschool.edu/rlp.
  • Kate shares a poem by an anonymous survivor of rape, which reads in its entirety: 鈥淚 can鈥檛 forget what happened, but no one else remembers.鈥 When she was a student at 天美视频, Kate wrote this moving reflection about the installation and about church as a community that remembers and holds.
  • Laura Wade recommends a book about integrating the feminine and masculine parts that live in each of us. The book is by Tami Lynn Kent.
  • One of the practices Laura Wade mentions that she has returned to because of this work is running. You can read her reflection about how running helps her return to spiritual health in this blog.
  • For more on resilience, you can watch Nikkita Oliver鈥檚 stunning talk from our 2018 Humanity Through Community gathering, and you can listen to Nikkita鈥檚 conversation with Shauna Gauthier from an earlier podcast episode.

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Season Three of text.soul.culture /blog/season-three-of-text-soul-culture/ Wed, 01 May 2019 18:04:40 +0000 http://theseattleschool.edu/?p=13290 We鈥檙e thrilled to be launching the third season of text.soul.culture this week! Tune in to hear a conversation between Nicole Greenwald, Vice President of Brand & Enrollment, and our podcast hosts, Shauna Gauthier, Alumni Outreach Coordinator, and Dr. J. Derek McNeil, Acting President and Provost. Nicole, Shauna, and Derek reflect on the vision for this […]

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We鈥檙e thrilled to be launching the third season of text.soul.culture this week! Tune in to hear a conversation between Nicole Greenwald, Vice President of Brand & Enrollment, and our podcast hosts, Shauna Gauthier, Alumni Outreach Coordinator, and Dr. J. Derek McNeil, Acting President and Provost. Nicole, Shauna, and Derek reflect on the vision for this podcast, on how that vision aligns with the larger mission of 天美视频, and on their hopes for this new season.

Shauna: 鈥淚 want to hone in, in this next season, on dropping down into the topics that have this weightiness to them that have to do with this particular period of time in the world.鈥

Derek: 鈥淢ore lately, I think of text.soul.culture as being a vehicle of service. So I鈥檓 sure I鈥檒l be asking a lot more questions about serving. […] This season will be around us trying to figure out how do we serve?鈥

If you鈥檝e listened to past episodes, you鈥檒l notice some differences in Season Three, including changes in production and episode structure. At the end of this episode, Nicole talks with Beau Denton, Content Curator, about some of these updates. We hope these changes reflect continued growth and innovation, while remaining true to our original mission for the text.soul.culture podcast: Grounded in the hope of fostering faithful dialogue, we are guided by a commitment to understanding narrative, wrestling with intersections, resisting reactivity, and fostering radical hospitality.

Beau: 鈥淎s an institution, we prioritize human dialogue. And that鈥檚 so different than one person speaking a monologue or writing a blog on their own. This is about conversation. […] My role here will be kind of an emcee to help facilitate the good work that our hosts are doing.鈥

Stay tuned in coming weeks as we feature compelling conversations with alumni, faculty, and other thought leaders about living as wise, engaged, and courageous people in times of division and fragmentation. In the meantime, we would love to hear your feedback! If you have questions, responses, or ideas for future conversations, you can email us at communications@theseattleschool.edu.


Resources to Go Deeper


text.soul.culture Hosts

Dr. Derek McNeil is the Acting President and Provost at 天美视频. He has a PhD in Counseling Psychology from Northwestern University and an MDiv from Fuller Theological Seminary, and his research, writing, and speaking have focused on issues of ethnic and racial socialization, the role of forgiveness in peacemaking, the identity development of African-American males, and marital intimacy. Learn more about Derek here.

Shauna Gauthier received her MA in Counseling Psychology from 天美视频 in 2010. She previously worked in the Denver Metro area as a therapist and a nonprofit program manager; she also helped launch 天美视频鈥檚 Colorado Alumni Chapter. After returning to Seattle, Shauna now serves as the Alumni Outreach Coordinator. She also enjoys writing and speaking about motherhood, feminism, and faith. Learn more about Shauna here.

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From the Field: Therapy, Fatherhood, and Embracing Uncertainty with Jeremy Dew /blog/from-field-jeremy-dew/ Sun, 01 Jul 2018 14:00:06 +0000 http://theseattleschool.edu/?p=12021 Shauna Gauthier sits down with Jeremy Dew (MA in Counseling Psychology, 鈥10) to talk about uncertainty in faith and how his work as a therapist aligns with his growth as a father.

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In our newest 鈥淔rom the Field鈥 episode of text.soul.culture, Shauna Gauthier (MA in Counseling Psychology, 鈥10), Alumni Outreach Coordinator, talks with Jeremy Dew (MACP, 鈥10), a therapist in private practice and the Facilitator of 天美视频鈥檚 Texas Alumni Chapter. Shauna and Jeremy were in the same cohort as graduate students, and the rapport of their long-time friendship is evident in this conversation, which starts with Jeremy鈥檚 reflections on an uprooted childhood that required him to be a charismatic, often silly kid who made new friends easily and maintained a positive, happy persona. As the oldest of five children in a family that moved often, Jeremy felt his role was to be exemplary in his ability to hold everything together鈥攁 burden that left him struggling to identify who he was beneath the surface.

Shauna: 鈥淚鈥檓 most compelled by Jeremy鈥檚 full-spectrum capacity to dive deep into heartache鈥攈is own and others鈥欌攁nd to leap so high into all sorts of play, especially in his play with his own children.鈥

Jeremy went to college to become a youth pastor, but a couple of years into school he realized that he had significant questions that were being answered in ways that felt disappointing and cheap. The environment seemed increasingly isolated and self-absorbed; it was all too easy to focus on obscure passages of Scripture or dense theological questions that felt removed from the day-to-day realities of the rest of the world.

Jeremy: 鈥淚t felt like many of the ways that we were answering questions of God further isolated us from the rest of the world.鈥

So Jeremy pursued other work鈥擲tarbucks, bronze casting, a microbrewery. He found himself longing for something more, but he knew it wouldn鈥檛 look like the pastoral education he鈥檇 seen before. Around this time he was exposed to work coming out of 天美视频, and he was intrigued by its openness to the rest of the world, a willingness to learn about God in unexpected places. Jeremy had tried walking away from his faith, but 鈥淚 couldn鈥檛 quite shake it.鈥 He was drawn to 天美视频 as a place where he could learn and wrestle with truth without having to artificially surrender his questions.

Jeremy: 鈥淲hat has felt true of vocation, and even calling, is that somehow it鈥檚 felt like that has been written in the peaks and in the valleys of my story. Both the places where I have known of my goodness and been uniquely named and uniquely spoken into, and in the places where I鈥檝e been most harmed and violated. Somehow my calling aligns those two.鈥

Shauna asks Jeremy what he has learned about vocation, calling, and sustainability, in the years since his time at 天美视频. The conversation also touches on what Jeremy鈥檚 work with parents has revealed about his own parenting, on what surprises and grounds him in his work, and on his heartbreak about the ways that men have used and abused power. The #MeToo, #ChurchToo, and #TimesUp movements have highlighted the need for his to keep pursuing his own growth and to help other men and young boys address their violent reactions to fragility and harm.

Jeremy: 鈥淰ocational sustainability has be wrapped up in who I am as a father as well, and as a husband.鈥


Resources to Go Deeper

Jeremy shares that he鈥檚 had a 鈥渞enewed energy for reading鈥 lately. Here鈥檚 what he鈥檚 into these days:

by Leif Enger鈥攔ecommended years ago by VP of Student & Alumni Development Paul Steinke, based on Jeremy鈥檚 love for by David James Duncan.

by Christine Marietta, over which Jeremy has cried with clients who feel validated in new ways by Christine鈥檚 words.

by Dorothy Dinnerstein, a feminist psychoanalyst writing in the 鈥70s.

by Daniel Keyes鈥攎ost people read this as kids, but a client recommended it to Jeremy to better understand where she鈥檚 coming from.

by Rene Girard鈥擩eremy heard about it in school and sometimes found himself using that language, so he decided to figure out what he meant by it.

For more from Jeremy, check out the video of his Symposia 2016 presentation, 鈥淧ractical Parenting: When Good Enough Is Good Enough, Even for the Trained Professional as Parent.鈥

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Finding Home in an Accelerated Age with Dr. Craig Detweiler /blog/finding-home-craig-detweiler/ Mon, 18 Jun 2018 14:00:58 +0000 http://theseattleschool.edu/?p=12089 Craig Detweiler talks about six months as President, adaptive resilience, the importance of home, and 天美视频鈥檚 next chapter.

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This week, on the second season finale of text.soul.culture, Dr. Derek McNeil, Senior Vice President of Academics, continues his discussion with Dr. Craig Detweiler, President of 天美视频. In the first part of this conversation, Craig shared about his personal formation and the journey that led him to 天美视频. Now, he and Derek look back on the last six months, talk about what it means to make a home in a new city, and dream together about what the future might hold鈥攆or Craig and his family, and for the entire 天美视频 community.

Craig: 鈥淲e have the ability to export our education and training in very robust ways. So this isn鈥檛 a small thing, it鈥檚 actually a very significant thing. We鈥檙e trying to be very deep and very personal, at a time when the needs are growing nationally, internationally鈥攖he hunger for peace, the hunger for wholeness, the hunger for healing is off the charts.鈥

Craig shares about his motivation to understand not just 天美视频 and the people in this building, but also our neighborhood and surrounding city鈥攖he broader context in which our mission unfolds. He has spent a lot of time out and about going to concerts, museums, lunches, 鈥渢rying to catch the flavor, the taste of what鈥檚 going on.鈥

Craig: 鈥淲e鈥檙e living in an accelerated age in Seattle. The city itself has grown faster and more than any other city over the last decade in the United States. That creates profound possibilities and profound anxieties. […] Finding home in all that, finding space鈥攊t鈥檚 tricky. It鈥檚 not easy, it鈥檚 not quick.鈥

Derek shares how Craig has brought with him new ways of thinking about the future that are 鈥渂oth disruptive and promising.鈥 It鈥檚 a profound time for those new perspectives, as 天美视频 is approaching its 21st birthday鈥攁 milestone of identity and maturation. 鈥淚t鈥檚 fascinating to arrive as 天美视频 is graduating a class in their 20th year here and turning toward the 21st year,鈥 says Craig. 鈥淢ost schools would celebrate their 20th anniversary, but we鈥檙e not most schools. I think we鈥檙e maybe more interested in celebrating the 21st, because it鈥檚 closer to a human rite of passage, moving toward adulthood.鈥

鈥淚 hope in the 21st year, in looking back, we can look at hard things, and we can look at beautiful things, and we can dance together again.鈥

In the midst of all the change, Derek and Craig also reflect on that which remains true about 天美视频鈥檚 ethos: the annual and seasonal rhythms, the weekly communion, the nine.noon.three bells that chime every three hours as an invitation to re-orient and re-settle. These core shared values鈥攑art of what Derek calls 鈥渁daptive resilience鈥濃攁re what ground us, personally and collectively, as we respond to change and dream about the future.

Derek: 鈥淵ou need that looking back to look forward, to recognize in some sense the continuity of us. […] We鈥檙e a very hopeful institution, and I think we are coming into this notion of what we are called to be.鈥

Craig: 鈥淲e reorient ourselves, at a time of massive confusion, to say 鈥榯hese things we know to be true.鈥 […] Can we lean into that ongoing hope that does not change, at a time when, on any given day, we all feel like we may be about to get swamped? […] Let鈥檚 learn from where we鈥檝e been, learn from mistakes we made, acknowledge aches, pains, growing pains, hunger, guilt, longing鈥攁nd yet here we are, ready to continue.鈥

As always, thank you for listening to text.soul.culture. You can catch up on every episode from our first two seasons here, and we鈥檒l see you in the fall as we continue the conversation.

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Voices from the Artist Residency: A text.soul.culture Minisode /blog/artist-residency-minisode/ Mon, 14 May 2018 12:00:20 +0000 http://theseattleschool.edu/?p=11987 Today on text.soul.culture, the students and alumni who participated in the 2018 Artist Residency reflect on what it was like to spend a week painting, drawing, and creating in 天美视频鈥檚 red brick building.

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Today on the text.soul.culture podcast, we鈥檙e spending a few minutes with the students and alumni who recently participated in our 2018 Artist Residency. The Artist Residency is an annual opportunity for members of our community to spend a week in the building, making the space their own as they draw, paint, sculpt, and create both individually and collectively.

鈥淎fter I鈥檝e drawn someone鈥檚 face I love them more, because I know them better.鈥

In this minisode, the artists reflect on what it鈥檚 like to inhabit our red brick building outside of their familiar role as students. How is their art uniquely impacted by these classrooms and hallways where they have spent years wrestling with big ideas and difficult questions?

鈥淧robably what I will take away more than anything is the people that I spent the time with,鈥 says Genevra Vanhoozer, MA in Counseling Psychology student. 鈥淚 will carry them with me, I鈥檒l carry them in my body. The work is good, it鈥檚 important, but I see the people as just as much, if not more essential.鈥

The theme of this year鈥檚 residency was 鈥淩epairer of the Breach,鈥 and the artists were hosted by poet and Assistant Instructor Brittany Deininger (MA in Theology & Culture, 鈥17). We鈥檙e grateful for those who spoke with us for this podcast, and for all of the artists whose presence and creation during the residency have left a mark in our building:

  • Lindsay Braman (MACP student)
  • Heather Casimere (MATC student)
  • Kate Creech (MACP student)
  • Katie Lin (MACP student)
  • Alissa Mazzenga (MACP student)
  • Genevra Vanhoozer (MACP student)
  • Jonnie Washburn (MATC student)

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